In the latest episode of ARTICLE 19's Boundaries of Expression podcast series, recorded on 21 June, Jo Glanville talks to Ronald Deibert, founder and director of The Citizen Lab, about the technologies that turn your mobile phone into a spy in your pocket. On 6 July, Apple announced it was introducing new security to support iPhone users who may be vulnerable to or targeted by spyware. A few days later, a United States defence company dropped its reported plans to purchase the surveillance technology of NSO Group, the company behind the now-famous spyware Pegasus. Although these are encouraging developments, Deibert explains how fast-moving innovations now mean people can be completely unaware of violations against their privacy, and argues that international human rights bodies must help stem violations and call governments to account.
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